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35 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #35 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #35 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #35 di, 09/10/2024 - 11:43 Anoniem Engels 85.131.102.131 Ja Nee Katja K. 2024-09-10 Finland Integration Company I only attend the first pilot day organize by Keypro. As a integrators the project provide vary methods of connecting and getting data. All of the interface are follow market standard and easy to use. As my personal understanding your tools sismilar to some ETL tools on market. The way of using is similar also, there are some unnecessary clicks but I think overall not too difficult to use. I think this question is more for water company user. No, I think all good.
34 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #34 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #34 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #34 wo, 06/26/2024 - 14:43 Anoniem Engels 163.116.181.33 Ja Nee Gonzalo Lopez Infante 2024-06-26 Spain EMAHSA Water utility gonzalo.lopez-infante@aguashuelva.es Dificultad en integrar varias fuentes de datos Es Intuitiva, de fácil adaptación Gran utilidad para la gestión de datos No aplicada No aplicada Puede ser muy interesante Gráficamente Interesante No La forma de recoger los datos iniciales me parece correcta.
31 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #31 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #31 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #31 wo, 06/26/2024 - 14:40 Anoniem Engels 163.116.181.12 Ja Nee José María Ogando 2024-06-26 Spain Aguasvira Water utility jose-maria.ogando@aguasvira.net Cuesta integrar varias bases de datos. Lentitud herramienta. Problemas en general, carezco de información suficiente. Creo sería útil, pero carezco de información suficiente. carezco de información suficiente. 13 a 13:30 h explicación somera de la aplicación. No se distrae. carezco de información suficiente. carezco de información suficiente. No carezco de información suficiente.
33 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #33 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #33 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #33 wo, 06/26/2024 - 14:40 Anoniem Engels 163.116.181.29 Ja Nee Natividad Moya Sánchez 2024-06-26 Spain Empresa Municipal de Aguas de Huelva, S.A. Water utility natividad.moya@aguashuelva.es Cuesta integrar dos fuentes de datos diferentes. Lentitud en algunos aspectos de la herramienta. Es una herramienta intuitiva, de fácil manejo, aunque me falta trabajar en ella para evaluar completamente esta respuesta. Es una plataforma de gran utilidad. Es necesaria la gestión de datos para que la empresa pueda ser competitiva y transparente. No aplica. La herramienta no da tendencia a distracciones Análisis de datos ligados a la gestión del agua e inteligencia artificial No conozco
32 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #32 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #32 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #32 wo, 06/26/2024 - 14:39 Anoniem Spaans 163.116.184.136 Ja Nee Ana Genaro Moya 2024-06-26 Spain EMASAGRA Water utility ana.genaro@emasagra.es Integrar dos fuentes de datos diferentes. Me falta conocimiento de la integración de datos pero parece intuitiva Es una plataforma muy interesante para recopilación, aprobación de datos No lo conozco No lo conozco porque no he pasado mucho tiempo con la herramienta. Me parece algo muy adecuado tener una herramienta que recoja todos los datos que se necesiten para la gestión. No lo sé
30 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #30 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #30 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #30 wo, 06/26/2024 - 14:34 Anoniem Engels 163.116.243.47 Ja Nee Sergi Baena-Miret 2024-06-26 Spain Cetaqua Research Centre sergio.baena@cetaqua.com
29 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #29 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #29 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #29 ma, 04/29/2024 - 09:43 Anoniem Engels 130.180.45.42 Ja Nee Marie Stolte 2024-04-29 Germany Wasserverband Obere Lippe Wasserverband stolte@wol-nrw.de Allgemeine Fragestellung zur KI-basierten Hochwasservorhersage in Etteln:
Die Sensoren wurden vor Kurzem installiert. Werden nicht lange Messzeitreihen benötigt, um die KI trainieren zu können? Ab wann kann man mit belsatbaren Ergebnissen rechnen?
Auch wenn ich keine Datenspezialistin bin, konnte ich dem Vorgehen gut folgen.
Die Methodik scheint mir angemessen.
Alle Teilnehmer*innen waren motiviert. Alle Teilnehmer*innen waren sehr hilfsbereit. Alle Teilnehmer*innen schienen sehr konzentriert. Hochwasservorhersage mittels KI Nein, das ist mir nicht aufgefallen.
28 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #28 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #28 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #28 wo, 04/24/2024 - 14:31 Anoniem Engels 80.74.51.59 Ja Ja Vera Boehner 2024-04-24 Germany FIWARE Foundation e.V. FIWARE person involved in all Etteln-projects vera.boehner@fiware.org non so far I am not a technician and I find it understandable and easy to use
I can't answer this question. Everything went smoothly in todays call and the calls I joined I am not able to answer this question. Everyone seems well prepared and focussed No I suppose no. I could follow the conversations even with little technical knowledge
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26 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #26 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #26 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #26 wo, 04/24/2024 - 14:30 Anoniem Engels 80.74.51.59 Ja Nee Hasan Hüseyin Dönmez 1986-07-29 Germany HST Systemtechnik Water utility hasan.doenmez@hst.de Etteln Data connection was not succesfull It is hard to understand how to proceed at a glance . There are many screens to give a name. There should be some changes on the UI to facilitate and understand connections
25 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #25 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #25 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #25 wo, 04/24/2024 - 14:26 Anoniem Engels 46.199.45.168 Ja Ja George Milis 2024-04-24 Germany PHOEBE Research and Innovation Ltd SME and/or Innovation Company george.milis@phoebeinnovations.com 99587884 The retrieval of some datasets was challenging during the trainings.
Then the operators managed to master the process.
Some of the configuration forms of tools require some additional effort to be easily underatood. There seems to be big relevance of the executed use cases to the real challwnges they face in Etteln. This was explained clearly in the first session of the pilot. Excellent collaboration between participants. Everybody was concentrated and the process was enjoyable. It helped that people were also physically attending and they managed to have stronger connection to the challenges. No challenging about the innovation aspects. Looks appropriate.
24 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #24 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #24 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #24 wo, 04/24/2024 - 14:20 Anoniem Engels 80.74.51.59 Ja Ja Ulrich Ahle 2024-04-24 Germany District Head Etteln Citizen Initiative ahleulrich@gmail.com 01741533348 The resolution of the mao could be a bit higher For was easy to understand and the pilot methodology appears appropriate The participants are motivated and the purpose is addressing a real life challenge in the village.
I can't comment yet on this. can't comment Comparing to the situation where we are in germany the nature of WDME is very innovative. all fine no, all fine no, all fine
27 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #27 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #27 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #27 wo, 04/24/2024 - 14:17 Anoniem Engels 194.151.121.133 Ja Ja Suze van der Meulen 2024-04-24 Germany PWN Water utility suze.van.der.meulen@pwn.nl +31612476551 Standardization in terms of naming It is fine to understand. Sometimes it takes a bit too long, making it difficult to keep your attention The discussions about open source and licenses, about why through firmware or through WDME, are very interesting. The additions from the developers of the tools about what is and isn’t possible are also a good contribution. Throughout the process, the operator was well assisted the entire time. It takes a bit too long. It is now also repetition for me, which makes you notice that you get distracted very quickly. For me, it is very innovative. I see many opportunities to apply the currently presented use case to our challenges as well Not applicable Not applicable Too long a time between training and rehearsal
23 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #23 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #23 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #23 wo, 04/24/2024 - 14:14 Anoniem Engels 80.74.51.59 Ja Nee Alexis Kyriacou 2024-04-24 Germany SME and/or Innovation Company User interfaces need refinement to make it more attractive and user friendly. Challenging. It requires previous trainings to be completed. Extremely useful and once you get the grasp of it you can understand that there is huge potential with the considered tools. Coordination, cooperation and achieving unique goals were all there. Quite engaged in the processes. However, a hands on experience would be much more interesting. Maybe, participants can also have a document with instructions as a generic workshop which they can try to follow as well.
22 (kladversie) Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #22 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #22 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #22 wo, 04/24/2024 - 14:14 gmilis Engels 80.74.51.59 Ja Nee George Milis 2024-04-24 Germany vdsvs Water operator other than utility
21 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #21 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #21 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #21 wo, 03/27/2024 - 13:16 Anoniem Engels 93.176.130.190 Ja Nee Gonzalo Vilella Rojo 2024-03-27 Cyprus EURECAT Research Centre Some terminology, such as outliers, time series, or other technical terms could be difficult to understand for non-expert users and stakeholders willing to use these tools. Maybe a little section devoted to explain these terms in simple words could enrich the product. I liked that the bug related to the format of some data (string, not integer) was solved during the demo, putting in value the support of the developers during this session I felt that these sessions were not meant for RO developers, as we are not planning to gather data in the future We like how user friendly the mesh-up editor looks, making it highly usable and appealing
20 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #20 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #20 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #20 wo, 03/27/2024 - 12:58 Anoniem Engels 94.32.160.52 Ja Nee Eloisa Vargiu 2024-03-27 Spain CETaqua Research Centre I don't see any description of the functionality. How the uses knew which block to use? The usability can be improved. It seems difficult to me to understand the blocks to be used and added in the flow.
The pilot methodology seems appropriate.
The used blocks seem cover the required functionality for the pilot. The end-user learnt very quickly how to use the WDME and the tools. The end-user has been engaged all the time. No N/A N/A
19 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #19 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #19 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #19 wo, 03/27/2024 - 12:57 Anoniem Engels 31.153.108.250 Ja Ja Demetrios Eliades 2024-03-27 Cyprus KIOS Research and Innovation Center of Excellence Research Centre, University eldemet@ucy.ac.cy Anonymization tool need to be more localized, consider the use of different anonymization techniques also mentioned in https://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-29/documentation/opinion-recommendation/files/2014/wp216_en.pdf

Repetition in filling forms should be minimized to avoid mistakes.

There should be a way to handle contracts, and create keys to companies that can be revoked in time or on demand.
The flow was clear, but at some point it required changing multiple screens (e.g., when getting the API links). Measure the steps in the video and see if they could be reduced.. Participants were motivated, this solves a real problem for data management in water utilities. It seems to be knowledge intensive, requires expertise in software/IT as well as operations technologies (OT) Positive attitute This is an innovative tool which will save 100s of workhours, and probably 10,000's of euros when implementing new projects. The "IT" Culture vs the "OT" culture seems to be the biggest issues.
18 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #18 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #18 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #18 wo, 03/27/2024 - 12:55 Anoniem Engels 217.102.162.193 Ja Ja Lydia Vamvakeridou-Lyroudia 2024-03-27 Cyprus KWR Water Research, Netherlands Research Centre lydia.vamvakeridou-lyroudia@kwrwater.nl +31651352246 The functionalities are clear and well designed.
One possible gap that could improve is to have a clear view about who has access to the data and the ability to revoke this at any time and for whatever reason.
No difficulties in understanding. The required time for understanding is reasonable (under 1 hour)
The methodology also seems reasonable, logical and makes sense.
The participants well well motivated and informed.
The tools and functionalities are well connected to real challenges and there are plans to integrate them more with the real needs and operational environment of the utility.
The main barrier would be the slow response in procedures (i.e. the conservative attitude) of utilities for the adoption of new tools and technologies.
The development of the tool progresses very well. There are clear plans about the next steps. The participants work together to achieve results and there is clear support by the more technical savvy people to the less experienced ones. No, I have not noticed anything like this. WDME opens and leads a pathway for the development of thematic European Data Spaces for the Water sector, which is the future for data management, data sharing and data exchange. Additionally it is compatible to the FIWARE platform, which improves its chances for impact No, all is fine. No I commented on the improvement of access to the data, which I have already included in my first comment here.
15 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #15 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #15 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #15 vr, 03/01/2024 - 12:55 Anoniem Engels 193.177.140.8 Ja Nee Mollie Torello 2024-03-01 Netherlands KWR Research Centre mollie.torello@kwrwater.nl There is a lack of checks when sending information (i.e. dashboards) directly to the end user. It would be nice to have it send an email to QA or approve before sending it to external stakeholders. Accessibility seems to be easy to use. However, there was a issue where the synthetic data generator was not turned off during the training so it was running for a few days. This would use a lot of processing power. It would be good to have a notification that it is still running. Concerns about cyber security and concerts about authorization of users.
Motivation to use this with other water utilities.
Evidence that behavioral change occurred was evident in the questions asked and looking to increase the scope in the future. Participants in the room at PWN were engaged through the presentation.
17 Star/flag 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #17 Lock 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #17 Add notes to 2c. Observers' Feedback [WATERVERSE Project Pilots]: Inzending #17 vr, 03/01/2024 - 12:52 Anoniem Engels 194.151.121.133 Ja Ja Patrick Stringer 2024-03-01 Netherlands pwn Water utility patrick.stringer@pwn.nl 0612619588 This depends on the kind of users. I think you need both a technical (data) background as well as a functional background.

How do you know what kind of data, datasets, dashboards and or pipelines are activated on the platform? for example if i want to make a graph about chlorade values, how do ik know if this is already made? if i want to use the weather data of germany, how do i know if this dataset is present? How do you know what you don't know?

beside that, how do is the data quality guarenteed, what kind of metrics and units are used?
This again depends on your background. I have a technical data background but even for me it is challenging to follow every step. Especially making a pipeline of building a report or dashboard

For what i saw i am wondering what the customizing possibilities are. especially for the dashboards. Looking at the dashboard i missed the context, what are the units? when was the data last refreshed, explanation on the x and y axes. What am i looking at and what can you custimize to make things clearer?

The motivation of the participants is very good. They know what they are talking about and they are able to share this in an understandable way. I think that building this platform requires a great deal of cooperation between the participants.. I see that the participants have different backgounds, skills and cultural differences and this helps in creating this international multiple used platform. I know for a fact that the participants help each other. i haven't noticed any distraction by the participants. They seemed happy with the result and are enthusiastic in sharing this. no comments. The underlying technoly is not that innovative but using and combining this technology in an international platform is. The participants understand the tools very well. However, for the observers it isn't always clear what we are seeing. especially for the dashboards. Looking at the dashboard i missed the context, what are the units? when was the data last refreshed, explanation on the x and y axes. What am i looking at and what can you custimize to make things clearer?
not that i am aware of There were some questions about the cyber security. This is obviously a very important aspect.

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